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- Kari-Hans KommonenDear Michel. Is this Facebook group about P2P any more, or is it about Left, Culture Wars, or something else? I again suggest that this kind of discussion should move to some other forum.
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- Michel BauwensKari-Hans Kommonen : I respect your feelings and opinions, but it is impossible for a p2p/commons forum not to address what constitutes the greatest dangers for its development. I respectfully disagree and this forum will retain its following focus: 1) focus on p2p and commons developments 2) focus on the context in which it occurs 3) deep thought about equality vs hierarchy and all the issues it elicits 4) attention to the fascism of our time, i.e. the woke ideology which most threatens the development of human equality.
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- Kari-Hans KommonenMichel Bauwens respecfully, point 4 and your perception of what you call woke is not the form of fascism that most threatens the development of human equality, please e.g. observe events in Ukraine, and in my opinion, you are dominating that opinion on this forum in a way that is alienating many people with P2P interests, and I would continue to recommend that you found another page for your ”woke fascism” critique and avoid publishing it here.
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Gerhard JungKari-Hans Kommonen Much of what Michel Bauwens is trying to address here, I would call quixotic.- Share
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Lucy WillsGerhard Jung at best. I also had considered for a while that such things were being posted for conversation or debate but that doesn’t seem to be the case. Each time I do this I am not engaged with properly but just faced with the same argument over and over again. Sigh.- Share
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Gus DiZeregaKari-Hans Kommonen I dislike the left woke about as much as anyone alive and have been cancelled by them on several occasions, and in all honesty, I agree with you.- Share
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Kari-Hans KommonenMichel, I want to add that I am writing these comments because I do respect and value the work you have done over the years and still do for furthering the P2P and commons matters, but ever since you experienced the cancel events, which understandably …See more- Share
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Lorraine LeeCertainly the ongoing and increasingly aggressive redpilling of Bauwens has ruined the P2P brand for me. I regret ever having been enthusiastic about it. Same for the free culture movement and Nina Paley. One is judged by the company one keeps, and I a…See more- Share
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Dean SayersMichel is right. I have repeatedly seen people driven out of charitable organizations due to the very “woke fascism” cited. I think that is pretty germane to any discussion of the commons.Kari-Hans Kommonen, if this were instead a thread complaining a…See more- Share
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- Kari-Hans KommonenDean Sayers this is not just one thread. It is one in a long series of manifestos, aiming to alert all of us to this threat which for many is seen completely differently. I will not get entangled in the deeper discussion. I am just trying to point out …See more
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Roy HanflingOlivier Lejade Is “love it or leave it” part of P2P practice?- Share
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Roy HanflingKari-Hans Kommonen I sometimes call it “Michels forum” humorouslyIf this forum is owned by one person, it’s NOT a P2P forum, is it?…See more- Share
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Kari-Hans KommonenRoy Hanfling I have a lot of respect for Michel’s long curatorship in this forum, and it has for a long time been a very helpful resource. Lately sadly less so, as the focus has become something else.- Share
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Roy HanflingKari-Hans Kommonen same
I think that an advantage of working from a P2P perspective is that we only need to communicate with honesty and integrity to each other.…See more- Share
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Roy HanflingOlivier Lejade as a peer, I reserve the right to speak my truth, you always have the option of ignoring me?what specifically do you want to mark as “debated to death”- Share
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Michel BauwensKari-Hans Kommonen : I can’t find your other thread on sex being a spectrum (the famous 1% ‘in between’ the 99%). You may like this:“Biological sex is either male or female. Contrary to what is commonly believed, sex is defined not by chromosomes or …See more
The End of Gender by Debra SohJOSEPHBLACKMAN.MEDIUM.COMThe End of Gender by Debra Soh- Share
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- Michel Bauwenshere is another discussion, https://whyevolutionistrue.com/…/the-binary-nature-of…/
The binary nature of sex: a column by Deborah SohWHYEVOLUTIONISTRUE.COMThe binary nature of sex: a column by Deborah Soh- Share
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Roy HanflingOliver blocked meI also wanted to point out that…See more- Share
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- Roy Hanflingonce again, I’m not raging or trying to control other’s behavioursJust saying what I see and think, as a peerand…See more
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Michel BauwensRoy Hanfling : Your language is very revealing, calling this community ‘customers’, but if you are indeed serious about it, I’d be happy to send you my bank account <g>. 3,000 new members to be precise, and the people that are filtered out, as I explai…See more- Share
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Roy HanflingMichel Bauwens yes, I chose that word ‘customers’ carefully as a way of understanding the dynamics of “your” groupDid you read the thread?There are lots in this group that is informative and interesting, content and process.…See more- Share
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Roy HanflingMichel Bauwens how many posts did you delete from this thread?- Share
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Roy HanflingMichel Bauwens from above“Roy HanflingKari-Hans Kommonen I sometimes call it “Michels forum” humorously…See more- Share
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Roy HanflingMichel Bauwens I’m also trying to avoid Ad hominem attacks, you have done nothing to attackI am interested in understanding the process- Share
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Roy HanflingMichel Bauwens and then you prove your intent by deleting posts you don’t like and restricting my postsI guess some of my questions have been answered